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		<title>By: Adam Shake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam Shake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 06:03:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for your well thought out and articulate comment. Your comment requires a better response than I am capable of right now,as I am just getting back from a fund raiser and it is very late in the evening. (morning) I will take the time to properly respond to your comment in the morning. But let me personally say thank you for your response.

Adam</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your well thought out and articulate comment. Your comment requires a better response than I am capable of right now,as I am just getting back from a fund raiser and it is very late in the evening. (morning) I will take the time to properly respond to your comment in the morning. But let me personally say thank you for your response.</p>
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		<title>By: Audie Penn</title>
		<link>http://twilightearth.com/environment-archive-2/human-rights-violated-by-climate-change/comment-page-1/#comment-12693</link>
		<dc:creator>Audie Penn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 23:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You may certainly disagree, but I believe your argument is flawed.  Not everyone believes or agrees that Global Warming is real.  The only group to whom I would listen that you sited in your first paragraph would be the scientists of the world, and there is a divide within that group.  All the rest have little or not knowledge and are only repeating what they have heard.  We have seen the work of our politicians; sadly they are the last group from whom I would solicit advice.

Many scientists today are beginning to find empirical data suggesting the sun has more to do with the temperature of the earth.  Some scientists will argue that to suggest carbon dioxide is the cause has no real science behind it.  The tipping point may be coming with regard to science telling us that our proposed theory of global warming was misconstrued.  There is evidence that global cooling is underway, and that solar activity, or the lack of solar activity is the cause.  

If that happens, will people have the courage to abandon the theory or will the follow through with the proposed solution because it is politically expedient?  Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely. I have not seen conclusive evidence that global warming is man made, nor have I seen conclusive evidence that carbon dioxide is a cause.   

The point about poisoned environments is well made, and one I believe in completely.  I believe organizations have an obligation to serve the communities within which they operate, and many have done so profitably.  This includes protecting the environment and population from pollutants generated in manufacturing processes.  

We cannot ignore the economic impact of our decisions.  I could pose an argument that those driving the carbon debate are doing so for economic gain, and those we are attempting to help are bearing the brunt of that economic system.  Many millions of dollars have been gathered in the name of carbon credits.  I do not like that system and find it morally bankrupt. 

Thank you for the kind words regarding my response.  You can attack my arguments any time.  I appreciate the debate and respectfully look forward to another response.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You may certainly disagree, but I believe your argument is flawed.  Not everyone believes or agrees that Global Warming is real.  The only group to whom I would listen that you sited in your first paragraph would be the scientists of the world, and there is a divide within that group.  All the rest have little or not knowledge and are only repeating what they have heard.  We have seen the work of our politicians; sadly they are the last group from whom I would solicit advice.</p>
<p>Many scientists today are beginning to find empirical data suggesting the sun has more to do with the temperature of the earth.  Some scientists will argue that to suggest carbon dioxide is the cause has no real science behind it.  The tipping point may be coming with regard to science telling us that our proposed theory of global warming was misconstrued.  There is evidence that global cooling is underway, and that solar activity, or the lack of solar activity is the cause.  </p>
<p>If that happens, will people have the courage to abandon the theory or will the follow through with the proposed solution because it is politically expedient?  Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely. I have not seen conclusive evidence that global warming is man made, nor have I seen conclusive evidence that carbon dioxide is a cause.   </p>
<p>The point about poisoned environments is well made, and one I believe in completely.  I believe organizations have an obligation to serve the communities within which they operate, and many have done so profitably.  This includes protecting the environment and population from pollutants generated in manufacturing processes.  </p>
<p>We cannot ignore the economic impact of our decisions.  I could pose an argument that those driving the carbon debate are doing so for economic gain, and those we are attempting to help are bearing the brunt of that economic system.  Many millions of dollars have been gathered in the name of carbon credits.  I do not like that system and find it morally bankrupt. </p>
<p>Thank you for the kind words regarding my response.  You can attack my arguments any time.  I appreciate the debate and respectfully look forward to another response.</p>
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		<title>By: Human Rights Violated by Climate Change &#124; Bangladesh News Network</title>
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		<dc:creator>Human Rights Violated by Climate Change &#124; Bangladesh News Network</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 09:50:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The UN Human Rights Council has adopted a resolution proposed by the Maldives to hold a panel discussion on the relationship between human rights and climate change. The resolution states that “Global warming violates human rights of millions of people, especially in countries vulnerable to climate change such as the low-lying island state of the Maldives.” “Climate change is one of the most Full Article on Twilight Earth [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The UN Human Rights Council has adopted a resolution proposed by the Maldives to hold a panel discussion on the relationship between human rights and climate change. The resolution states that “Global warming violates human rights of millions of people, especially in countries vulnerable to climate change such as the low-lying island state of the Maldives.” “Climate change is one of the most Full Article on Twilight Earth [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 19:14:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A very interesting and thought provoking topic.</description>
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		<title>By: Adam Shake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam Shake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 16:49:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Audie,

Thank you for your comment. 

I will agree to disagree with you, but I would like to add that the Global Warming argument is wrapped up. Everyone from 1st graders to top world scientists and from people sowing rice paddy&#039;s to world leaders know that Global Warming is real. To say the argument &quot;is still open&quot; is like saying that we have not proven the world is round or that we landed on the moon.

I also do not believe that you think that poisoned air water and soil is a &quot;human right.&quot; Perhaps you can explain how trying to clean up the poisons that beset us on a daily basis is &quot;treading&quot; on anyone&#039;s rights, unless perhaps you think that people have a right to pollute and harm. If that is the case, we have a whole different discussion going on.

Your response was well written and your position about respecting people is spot on. However, we can cause harm through omission and lack of knowledge. It is when you gain the knowledge that your actions, even though inadvertent, cause harm, that change must take place. 

I&#039;m open to discussion on this, if perhaps you see a flaw in my opinion. We can all teach each other and we look forward to respectful dialogue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Audie,</p>
<p>Thank you for your comment. </p>
<p>I will agree to disagree with you, but I would like to add that the Global Warming argument is wrapped up. Everyone from 1st graders to top world scientists and from people sowing rice paddy&#8217;s to world leaders know that Global Warming is real. To say the argument &#8220;is still open&#8221; is like saying that we have not proven the world is round or that we landed on the moon.</p>
<p>I also do not believe that you think that poisoned air water and soil is a &#8220;human right.&#8221; Perhaps you can explain how trying to clean up the poisons that beset us on a daily basis is &#8220;treading&#8221; on anyone&#8217;s rights, unless perhaps you think that people have a right to pollute and harm. If that is the case, we have a whole different discussion going on.</p>
<p>Your response was well written and your position about respecting people is spot on. However, we can cause harm through omission and lack of knowledge. It is when you gain the knowledge that your actions, even though inadvertent, cause harm, that change must take place. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m open to discussion on this, if perhaps you see a flaw in my opinion. We can all teach each other and we look forward to respectful dialogue.</p>
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		<title>By: Audie Penn</title>
		<link>http://twilightearth.com/environment-archive-2/human-rights-violated-by-climate-change/comment-page-1/#comment-6327</link>
		<dc:creator>Audie Penn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 00:21:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before we begin to write policy and direct behavior we (everyone) should at least agree to the whole &quot;global warming&quot; argument.  One man&#039;s human right violation is another man&#039;s human right, or so it seems today.  Human Rights is no more than everyone respecting others, and showing that respect through their actions.  When people use arguments to skew perception and take advantage, I believe that have chosen to give up their human rights.  Don&#039;t tread on me.  When people stop talking about diversity and simply respect everyone with which the come into contact, we won&#039;t have to worry about Human Rights.  There is still too much debate, and therefore no conclusion with regard to global warming.  To propose a solution to a problem that has yet to be proven is a poor choice, and will lead to changes that we cannot predict in areas that we do not understand.  For example, the economic impact will do more harm to the very people you suggest you are helping.  When that happens, will you stand up and take responsibility for the results you have driven, or will you blame someone else.  Others have claimed, “They caused the problem; I was only trying to help.”  
I appreciate your concerns, and respect you as a human being.  Are you sure in your accusations?  Have you exhausted all possible causes, or have you selected a possible cause that supports your philosophy?  You have to decide for yourself.  You have to challenge yourself to respect everyone, listen to their arguments, and present arguments that cannot be refuted.  Will you meet me in the debate, or will you choose another path?  The only thing at stake is Human Rights, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before we begin to write policy and direct behavior we (everyone) should at least agree to the whole &#8220;global warming&#8221; argument.  One man&#8217;s human right violation is another man&#8217;s human right, or so it seems today.  Human Rights is no more than everyone respecting others, and showing that respect through their actions.  When people use arguments to skew perception and take advantage, I believe that have chosen to give up their human rights.  Don&#8217;t tread on me.  When people stop talking about diversity and simply respect everyone with which the come into contact, we won&#8217;t have to worry about Human Rights.  There is still too much debate, and therefore no conclusion with regard to global warming.  To propose a solution to a problem that has yet to be proven is a poor choice, and will lead to changes that we cannot predict in areas that we do not understand.  For example, the economic impact will do more harm to the very people you suggest you are helping.  When that happens, will you stand up and take responsibility for the results you have driven, or will you blame someone else.  Others have claimed, “They caused the problem; I was only trying to help.”<br />
I appreciate your concerns, and respect you as a human being.  Are you sure in your accusations?  Have you exhausted all possible causes, or have you selected a possible cause that supports your philosophy?  You have to decide for yourself.  You have to challenge yourself to respect everyone, listen to their arguments, and present arguments that cannot be refuted.  Will you meet me in the debate, or will you choose another path?  The only thing at stake is Human Rights, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Shake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam Shake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 20:39:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon,

Thanks for the comment. I always look forward to reading what you think about our articles. Your link to the spending chart was really interesting from a &quot;big picture&quot; point of view re. Gov. Spending and Deficit workings.

FYI, the Sons and Daughters statement I made was most likely came from watching &quot;Braveheart&quot; the night before. :) But I&#039;ll take the compliment.

Thanks Jon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon,</p>
<p>Thanks for the comment. I always look forward to reading what you think about our articles. Your link to the spending chart was really interesting from a &#8220;big picture&#8221; point of view re. Gov. Spending and Deficit workings.</p>
<p>FYI, the Sons and Daughters statement I made was most likely came from watching &#8220;Braveheart&#8221; the night before. <img src='http://twilightearth.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  But I&#8217;ll take the compliment.</p>
<p>Thanks Jon</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Petherbridge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Petherbridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 03:21:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sloppy posting, sorry. I was just so excited to see you make sense. Not that you don&#039;t often make sense. You&#039;re a very sensible fellow. Have another beer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sloppy posting, sorry. I was just so excited to see you make sense. Not that you don&#8217;t often make sense. You&#8217;re a very sensible fellow. Have another beer.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Petherbridge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Petherbridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 03:15:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adam says, “We have a personal responsibility to [] take care of ourselves.” What? I knew there was a reason I liked you. Another Adam gem “Since when did we become juvenile sons and daughters of Uncle Sam, demanding that he give us clothes, shelter and food like some babe in arms?” Great question, and I think the answer is best defined with the old conservative phrase (Possibly penned by Robert Heinlein – but more likely by some old Roman) “When the masses realize that they can vote themselves bread and circuses, they will.” Behold, they do. And if anyone takes the time to review the economic realities being brought on by entitlement spending (see here: http://perotcharts.com/challenges/) they will see that we are in big trouble and that it will be arriving very soon.

The sentence, put forward by Navi Pillay, is patently ridiculous. And I mean this sentence: “basic rights such as food, water, shelter, health, life and self-determination” – doesn’t make any sense. The idea that everything is to be provided for everyone because it is their human right is either adolescent utopianism, or pragmatic Marxism.

Still, if we go that way, if America and the world follow the suicide spiral of entitlement and welfare spending for the purpose of sustaining everyone’s human rights, then you can bet I’m going to put myself on Navi’s list and collect my human rights instead of working for them because I’d really rather spend my days drawing pictures and writing my memoirs than working for somebody else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adam says, “We have a personal responsibility to [] take care of ourselves.” What? I knew there was a reason I liked you. Another Adam gem “Since when did we become juvenile sons and daughters of Uncle Sam, demanding that he give us clothes, shelter and food like some babe in arms?” Great question, and I think the answer is best defined with the old conservative phrase (Possibly penned by Robert Heinlein – but more likely by some old Roman) “When the masses realize that they can vote themselves bread and circuses, they will.” Behold, they do. And if anyone takes the time to review the economic realities being brought on by entitlement spending (see here: <a href="http://perotcharts.com/challenges/)" rel="nofollow">http://perotcharts.com/challenges/)</a> they will see that we are in big trouble and that it will be arriving very soon.</p>
<p>The sentence, put forward by Navi Pillay, is patently ridiculous. And I mean this sentence: “basic rights such as food, water, shelter, health, life and self-determination” – doesn’t make any sense. The idea that everything is to be provided for everyone because it is their human right is either adolescent utopianism, or pragmatic Marxism.</p>
<p>Still, if we go that way, if America and the world follow the suicide spiral of entitlement and welfare spending for the purpose of sustaining everyone’s human rights, then you can bet I’m going to put myself on Navi’s list and collect my human rights instead of working for them because I’d really rather spend my days drawing pictures and writing my memoirs than working for somebody else.</p>
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		<title>By: cathy fitzgerald</title>
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		<dc:creator>cathy fitzgerald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 10:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I think it is a human rights issue - wow, the new President of the Maldives, a former prisoner of conscience for his political views, with a tiny country is really taking the lead in the climate change debate. Go, Mohamed Nasheen http://preview.tinyurl.com/d6cqtr

Thanks Twilight</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I think it is a human rights issue &#8211; wow, the new President of the Maldives, a former prisoner of conscience for his political views, with a tiny country is really taking the lead in the climate change debate. Go, Mohamed Nasheen <a href="http://preview.tinyurl.com/d6cqtr" rel="nofollow">http://preview.tinyurl.com/d6cqtr</a></p>
<p>Thanks Twilight</p>
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